Identifying Cleopatra

[rinus]

Hello Phil,

Here again. For a part I was right. The yard had plans to update the 33, as this boat existed for about 13 years without much modifications. In fact it was the old 1000 boat. The owner of the yard then was Eastwood Marine .They took a standard 1000 hull and decided to design, or modify, the hull that it coulds accomodate a shaft and rudder. The underwater ship was extended. And they put a V drive into the hull. The then 1150 became the 3750 . They also added a means for a fly bridge. The interior was the same as the 1000, or 33.. Later on the 3750 became the 38. But the performance was a bit a disappointment The boat was slower than the boats with the heckdrive. So they just made a few of these boats with a shaft. Probably no more than 3 or 4. So it must be that you have one of these boats. Cleopatra decided after these 4 not to make shaft driven boats anymore But I am not sure how to call your boat. In fact it is not a 33, but more a 3750. And may be you may call it a 38. But in fact all serial built 38 have a heck drive.
You may wonder how I know these facts. I once had a good contact with the once Technical manager of Cleopatra. He worked there all his live, and we had a communication by e-mail. So I collected a lot of fact etc. of him.
I hope these data are of interest to you.

Regards,

Rinus

[philwantsacleopatra]

(01-20-2010 09:52 PM)rinus Wrote:  Hello Phil(?),

I hope I can help you a bit. The answer to your questions can be found in our Gallery, that is the picture part of our site. There you will see the Album, History of the Cleo's You will find a lot of sub albums there, and a few of these handle the 3000 type and its derivitaves.( that is also the 33 type).The History Album is at page 14. Also you will find an album which show a kind of Overview "when was this type built ( about) and during how long". You can see there that they all were built at the same yard, Walasea Island. The problem with the Cleo boats is that they hardly used H.I. N. (hull id. numbers) So it is almost impossible to tell when your boat was built. Only the official papers handed over by the yard to the new owner can tell. But a lot of secund hand boats do not have these original papers. So it is just how far do you believe the person who is selling the boat, or the yard . And I have heart of fantastic stories. What you also can do is, have a look in our Owners Data Base. There you can see , roughly , when to our estimate our boats are born.
And to answer your last question, when Cleopatra stopped making boats, the friends in Iceland bought the hulls of the 3000 types and made very good fishing boats of them. And later on extended the range a bit. But all these boats are Icelandic design, except from the hull design. The moulds are Cleopatra. Besides a few modifications.
Phil, I hoped I helped you a bit. When you have more questions, please let me know, and I will do my best to help you.
Please have a look at our Owners Data base, and send me as much data as you have of your boat. You know I feel it my mission to get our Owners Data Base as complete as possible.

Regards,

Rinus

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Rinus,

This makes sense. I assume you mean by a heck drive that is what we call here a 'leg'. or outdrive. I believe that the hull was not suitable for shaft drive as this one only reaches 12 to 14 knots with two 180 hp engines. I think the original design was suitable for outdrives. In most other respects the boat is excellent. It is very roomy and has excellent stowage space. I have found out now that the hull was built in 1982 by Eastwood Marine and fitted out later in 1991 by Lincoln Marine.

I dont know whether it would ever be worth re-instating legs or heck drives. There would be lots of problems as the the boat has hydrolic steering and autopilot too.

The history is interesting, especially the part about the shaft drive boats being a dissapointment speed wise.

Phil smith

(06-15-2010 01:32 PM)philwantsacleopatra Wrote:  

(01-20-2010 09:52 PM)rinus Wrote:  Hello Phil(?),

I hope I can help you a bit. The answer to your questions can be found in our Gallery, that is the picture part of our site. There you will see the Album, History of the Cleo's You will find a lot of sub albums there, and a few of these handle the 3000 type and its derivitaves.( that is also the 33 type).The History Album is at page 14. Also you will find an album which show a kind of Overview "when was this type built ( about) and during how long". You can see there that they all were built at the same yard, Walasea Island. The problem with the Cleo boats is that they hardly used H.I. N. (hull id. numbers) So it is almost impossible to tell when your boat was built. Only the official papers handed over by the yard to the new owner can tell. But a lot of secund hand boats do not have these original papers. So it is just how far do you believe the person who is selling the boat, or the yard . And I have heart of fantastic stories. What you also can do is, have a look in our Owners Data Base. There you can see , roughly , when to our estimate our boats are born.
And to answer your last question, when Cleopatra stopped making boats, the friends in Iceland bought the hulls of the 3000 types and made very good fishing boats of them. And later on extended the range a bit. But all these boats are Icelandic design, except from the hull design. The moulds are Cleopatra. Besides a few modifications.
Phil, I hoped I helped you a bit. When you have more questions, please let me know, and I will do my best to help you.
Please have a look at our Owners Data base, and send me as much data as you have of your boat. You know I feel it my mission to get our Owners Data Base as complete as possible.

Regards,

Rinus